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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Mar 16, 2008 8:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

saw this at legs i know most of you hate rhino but look for a Announcement on the winterland box set monday hopefully,9 cd's of sonic fall 73,i for one will be hopping on this.
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:vNo7KDGVE4wJ:cloudsurfing.gdhour.com/?p=766+winterland+73+box+set&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 17, 2008 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

I may sound wacky, but for a 3-show release, I would have MUCH preferred Nov 11, 14 & 17 '73....for an official release, I think those later shows are stronger than Nov 9-10. (Plus, there's no Other One on this release!)
Heck, the Denver shows on Nov 20 & 21 are pretty strong too. But I suppose the "Winterland run" tag is a better selling point than "several great shows from Nov '73"....

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Mar 17, 2008 6:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

the name winterland, just gives me a hard on. so synonymous with good dead music.

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Poster: jerkwaterdan Date: Mar 17, 2008 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

I am pre-ordering this but one thing I know: I am hanging onto my Charlie Miller 11/11/73 no matter what. I like Charlie's mixes better. After getting the 1969 Box set with the complete run of 2/27/69/-3/2/69 I found I liked my Healy remasters better than the "official" mixes. I've got 11/11/73 on right now and freaking LOVE this mix!

This post was modified by jerkwaterdan on 2008-03-17 21:52:09

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 17, 2008 3:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

That really surprises me--TBolt and I were just discussing this over at the other place, and I spoke up as never having found a 68-71 official release that didn't top the SBDs, AUDS, etc. (ie, any format via trading, etc). Not true for some 70s DPs, but for my era I have not had your experience...not sure which SBDs I have, so may have missed yours.

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Poster: jerkwaterdan Date: Mar 17, 2008 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

All I can say is that I compared the 2 mixes, the Norman and the Healy mixes back to back and have found the Healy mixes more to my liking. As they say "your mileage may vary". Not to say that the sound quality is not excellent on the box set, because it is. I just like the placement of the different parts on a Healy mix to a Norman mix.
I also prefer the Miller remasters of the October 1974 run to those on the Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack box set as well. I just think Charlie hears the music differently than Norman, probably due to his experiences in mixing live sound. The same goes for Dan Healy. This is not a put down of Jeffrey Norman at all, just a critique on mixes.

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Poster: acetboy Date: Mar 18, 2008 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

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This post was modified by acetboy on 2008-05-29 21:50:40

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-03-18 19:28:36

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 18, 2008 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

Hey Ace--thanks for all the info; as is clear, I don't know much of anything about all these aspects of the sources, etc., so really enjoy hearing about it...

Can't believe how much variation there was in the way things were done in this regard over the first ten yrs of the Dead's lifetime...

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Poster: JodyC Date: Mar 17, 2008 4:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

Hey jerkwater-thanks for the heads up on the Miller 11/11. Several seeds right now at bt if anyones interested.

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Poster: veblen Date: Mar 16, 2008 9:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

it is funny but they must of had the announcement up on dead.net but now it has been pulled, though there are still right nav bar notices/links to the since deleted page on the box-set.

well, now I see that link has been pulled...all references look to be gone from dead.net...

so is this the set:

http://www.deaddisc.com/disc/Winterland_1973_The_Complete_Recordings.htm

This will be sweet, to say the very least...

This post was modified by veblen on 2008-03-17 04:27:16

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Mar 16, 2008 9:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

veblen yes,eventually when it gets put out.it was suppose to be released last year but was put on the back burner.hopefully monday will bring good news.

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Poster: veblen Date: Mar 16, 2008 9:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

yes, let's hope it is tomorrow and not mananna (or when they get to it)!!!

just reviewing some of the past threads on this box set, hopefully the third time is a charm:

Jan 2008:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=176591

March 2006:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=57812

(note: 1973-11-14 is working well for me this eve...)

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Poster: veblen Date: Mar 17, 2008 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET-update

After all of the fun last night of seeing the set go up and down on dead.net and even seeing the news on some of the blogs reporting it disappear, I found this page on dead.net showing it as a new release:

http://www.dead.net/features/release-info/wait-over-winterland-1973-box-has-arrived

$$$99.99

here is the text in case this page is pulled as well:

Sherman, set the Wayback machine for the second week of November, 1973. The Grateful Dead are on a roll…yes, again! The summer had seen the band playing triumphant mega-shows with the Allman Brothers at RFK Stadium in D.C. and at Watkins Glenn in upstate New York. With their popularity seemingly still escalating by the month, fall tours took them to various East Coast haunts and all over the Midwest. On October 15, they released Wake of the Flood, their first album on their own independent record label, and copies were flying out of stores coast to coast. So the mood in the band was WAY UP when their incredibly busy schedule brought them home for three shows at Winterland in San Francisco November 9, 10 and 11—before they set off again for points East.

Winterland always brought out the best—and the beast—in the band. Located across Geary Boulevard from the Fillmore Auditorium, the one-time home of the Ice Follies had hosted dozens of amazing rock shows since Bill Graham started putting on shows there in the late ’60s. It’s where the top tier of Bay Area bands would get together occasionally for marathon shows, and it’s where the most popular out-of-town acts—from The Doors, to Hendrix, to The Who, to the Rolling Stones—would play in the era before faceless sports arenas became an unfortunate fact of concert-going life. But nobody played Winterland as often as the Dead. By the time they’d trucked their ever-expanding sound system to the venue for their November ’73 shows, they’d already logged 31 concerts there—and there would be another 28 eventful Dead nights at Winterland before the old place was closed after the Dead’s New Year’s Eve show in 1978, and eventually reduced to rubble to make way for condos. Sure, the 5,000-capacity hall was acoustically challenging and a little frayed on the edges. But with its narrow open floor, shallow lower balcony that encircled the entire venue, its deeper back balcony chill zone, and serpentine walkways between floors, it was a tremendously fun and entertaining place to see a show—especially a Dead show.

Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings captures the Dead during one of their peak years and absolutely at the top of their game. Spread over nine discs, it includes every note of three complete consecutive shows (save for the encore of November 9, which was not recorded), so there’s plenty here to satisfy every fan: magnificent jams on “Dark Star” (which sprawls to 35 completely compelling minutes!), “Playing in the Band,” “Eyes of the World,” the still-new “Weather Report Suite” and more; kick-ass rockers of every variety (“Sugar Magnolia,” “Casey Jones,” “Johnny B. Goode,” “Truckin’,” et al); haunting ballads including “China Doll,” “Stella Blue” and “To Lay Me Down”; a truly spectacular “China Cat”; and the first of just three versions ever of the dazzling sequence of “Playing in the Band” > “Uncle John’s Band” > “Morning Dew” > “Uncle John’s” reprise > “Playing” reprise. (For a complete listing of the contents of the nine discs, go here.)

All the music here was drawn from Grateful Dead crew member Kidd Candelario’s crystal clear and wonderfully present 2-track soundboard reels of the shows, and enhanced by the mastering work of the always reliable sonic wizard Jeffrey Norman, who used all sorts of arcane processes to bring it all into the glorious world of HDCD sound. This stuff will rattle your bones! The beautifully designed box also comes with a colorful booklet containing scads of great photos and a fine essay by Grateful Dead historian Dennis McNally.

For a limited time, too, if you order the Winterland 1973 box through dead.net, we’ll also send you a special BONUS DISC of previously uncirculated material recorded a few weeks later, at Cincinnati Gardens on December 4, 1973. Good stuff, we assure you!

We like to think of Winterland 1973 as being part of the noble tradition established by the ecstatically received Fillmore West 1969: The Complete Recordings, and as a precursor for other complete-run boxes to come. So clear out a chunk of space in the ol’ CD case, ’cause this mutha’ is a BIG ONE!

Don’t delay! You can order Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings right now by clicking here !



This post was modified by veblen on 2008-03-17 17:46:00

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Mar 17, 2008 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: FREE 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET LISTENING

I love when Rhino releases something, always prompts me to re visit my free copy in my vault and enjoy it again!! Thanks Rhino

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Poster: veblen Date: Mar 17, 2008 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: FREE 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET LISTENING

hey I am HAPPY with the release and will be purchasing it, but I don't know if a thanks is in order when something has been in the can for two years and it is finally being released.

this release is similar to the three from the vault that was done and sat prior to being released.

Rhino, the Paul Masson of record labels: "We will sell no vault release before its time."

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 17, 2008 2:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: FREE 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET LISTENING

Ever see Will Ferrell as Shawn Mondavi??!! Hilarious.

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/98/98qmondavi.phtml

This post was modified by high flow on 2008-03-17 21:04:47

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Poster: veblen Date: Mar 17, 2008 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: FREE 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET LISTENING

that is FUNNY!!!

this one maybe more sad than funny, orson doing a paul masson ad where he is blasted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3qg4i22x9M

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 17, 2008 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: FREE 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET LISTENING

Wow. That's pathetic.

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Poster: veblen Date: Mar 17, 2008 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: FREE 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET LISTENING

yes, I think if you go to the webster dictionary website they show that video as the definition for PATHETIC...

a long way from Citizen Kane...

makes me recall the days of being "that guy"...fortunately those days are pretty much over...

btw: I have seen a couple of good orson interviews on youtube where his briliance does indeed shine through, though he is not talking after 50 glasses of paul masson sparkling wine.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 17, 2008 4:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: FREE 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET LISTENING

I never saw that bit. The transcription alone had me on the floor.

Thanks for that

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Mar 16, 2008 9:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

thanks for the info....... I am wondering: is this going to be offered exclusively through DeadNet or will it be in stores like the NYE Cow Palace and View From the Vault III releases?

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Mar 16, 2008 9:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

More teasing from Rhino? Save this damned thing until the first of the month; when people have more money to spend on things we don't really need. Offering expensive items between pay chechs is sheer stupidity in the middle of Bush's recession. Those guys were never too smart...

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 16, 2008 8:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

this fall '73 show is here on LMA San Diego Sports Arena on 1973-11-14. pretty damn good, if not stellar. i know, nothin' new, you already have this SBD.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Mar 16, 2008 9:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

the show on the archive is SBD > MR > cass > DAT > CD > EAC (secure) > SHN (seekable) the winterland box set is from the master reels HUGE difference,no more "Cassette Generation"ETC..fall 73 is one of the great period of the band and glad these shows will be available to us soon in better quality not that the miller source i have is bad,in fact one of his best works.enjoy the upcoming release.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Mar 17, 2008 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

nice. can't wait. a good release. whoever thought of this was right on. how much will it cost us?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 17, 2008 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Love Rhino...

Run me off the site, claim I am a hypocrite for moving past 68, BUT I just "pre-ordered" mine...

Anyone else?

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Mar 17, 2008 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Love Rhino...

i think i will, to get the bonus disc. already have 11/11, so this is like getting two shows for a 100 bucks. not really a good deal. i'd gladly spend the hundred on the fillmore 69 boxed set if it were available.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 17, 2008 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Love Rhino...We Irish deserve this.

Yep--I almost didn't get that, but ordered on the day they sold out, and they put me on a waiting list (for what I didn't know at the time!) and called back the next day to say I was getting it afterall...turned out they went thru orders and didn't allow folks to order more than a few (?) or at least told me that I was getting one because a single person had ordered five and they said that was a "no-no"...

I was thankful.

Of course, I don't have much of anything post 71, and figure these are the shows everyone always tells me to get for 72-73, so what the heck...it's my St Pat's day gift...

hmm, on the basis of your name, you should too!

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Mar 17, 2008 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ???

10+1 cds (limited edition) vs 9+1 cds?

4 69 dark stars vs 1 73 dark star?

$75 vs $100?

fillmore box was MUCH better deal, though i placed my order in july and got the goods in november

and not forgetting the genocide rhino is committing as we read this thread, im gonna keep my money

already got much more gd than i can digest in 100 years



This post was modified by fireeagle on 2008-03-17 22:21:28

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 17, 2008 3:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ???

Forgot, but you lost me on this:

"not forgetting the genocide rhino is committing as we read this thread"

Explanate?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 17, 2008 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ???

Wow--did you only pay $75?! Rats--must have been my lateness as I paid the same ($99).

Trust me, I can relate to your point, BUT suppose the 70s folks would remind us there are a lot more different songs on this one, and, biggest perk of all, Donna!

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Mar 17, 2008 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ???

i love 70s 2, but NOTHING beats those 4 dark stars

now playing 03-02 (cd eight)....loudly

just to make sure

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 17, 2008 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Love Rhino...

I ordered it as well. Seems a bit expensive but if you think of it at about 10 bucks a disc (with the bonus one) thats not that bad.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 16, 2008 8:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

Kind of hard to hate on them if they do release this - isn't this precisely what folks here are asking that they do?

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Mar 17, 2008 7:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

It's a nice release, but man I just can't justify the $100. I mean, DP 29 was a 2 show 6 disc release and sold for $35. $100 just seems like a real price gouge. I am in admiration of those buying this.....there are a couple of stores near me that will carry this release and will take trade ins....so one of these days I'll probably trade my way to this set, but for now I am happy with my 11/11/73 Miller release and my so so copies of 11/9 and 11/10.

If this had been completely unreleased stuff like 6/4/77, then 2/27/77, just to name a couple, then I would probably risk my marriage and buy it.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Mar 16, 2008 8:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 73 WINTERLAND BOX SET

tigerbolt: Thank you for the "heads-up." I hope they don't waste their/our time with stuff like "Dark Star" from 11/11 ...a nice "Beat It On Down The Line" would be much more satisfying.

Thanks again for the notice,
--- AshesRising